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by kendrive @ 2008-03-09 - 11:47:46

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THE 'TERRIBLE LEGACY' OF SICK-NOTE BRITAIN

Children are growing up in families where three generations have never worked, one of the Government's most senior advisers has warned.

Dame Carol Black, the national director of health and work, said whole sections of British society had "drifted" into a benefits culture which had created "a terrible legacy" for their children.

Dame Carol has been commissioned by the Department of Health and the Department for Work and Pensions to deliver a report on the sickness and incapacity benefit system which will be published next week. She told The Sunday Telegraph that too many people remained on sick leave for years, when quicker help could have prevented mental and physical health problems from becoming entrenched.

She said: "We have got places where there are three generations of men who have never worked. If your grandfather never worked and your father never worked, why would you think work is the normal thing to do? I think it is an awful thing to inflict on a child. I worry about what this does to the fabric of our society, let alone the economy."

The medical professor called for research to uncover the extent to which patterns of truancy were followed by adult unemployment. She also expressed concern that teenage single mothers who had never worked were more likely to bring up children who were workshy.

"There are too many people with no expectation that their lives are going to get better, no structure, no shape to their lives at all," she said. "I worry about the way these patterns will be replicated, whether it is about young, single mothers whose children don't understand the role of work, or about truant children becoming more likely to be workless when they reach adulthood." Her review, which aims to improve the health of those in work and to get more people off sickness benefits, will warn that mental health problems such as depression place an intolerable £40 billion burden on the economy, due to the costs of sick leave, lowered productivity and extra health and social care.

The report will say psychiatric disorders in those aged between five and 15 are five times as common in families where the parents have never worked, compared with those where the parents are professionals.

Dame Carol will call for GP sicknotes to be replaced by "fitness notes" telling employers which tasks people can and cannot do.

The Office of National Statistics disclosed yesterday that 400,000 people, a quarter of the jobless total, have been out of work for longer than a year. The number of long-term unemployed is the highest since 2001 and for the first time in a decade, more than 100,000 people between 18 and 24 are out of work.

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technomisttechnomist [Member]
09/03/08 @ 11:59

The stats saying someone has been out of work for a year are a lot different from some saying someone has never worked at all and is now a grandad. Do these people really exist? I wonder how many people there really are who have never worked at all outside of the Royal family. Does the government think they don't work at all or because they say they don't work for the purposes of getting benefits and do they do work on the side? I womder if there are there any real numbers for this?

kendrivekendrive pro
09/03/08 @ 16:34

No, I don't know the statistics, but I am sure they are available somewhere.

Are you sure you do not mean "The Royle Family", where the loud-mouthed opinionated Jim has been unemployed for years?

He is overweight, ignorant and boorish - and spends most of his time sitting in an armchair, watching television.

I think you malign our real "Royal Family". Some of them do work very hard and are not just overpaid privileged layabouts

technomisttechnomist [Member]
09/03/08 @ 18:06

The statistics should be more than 'available somewhere' when government officials are formulating policy to counteract this apparent mischief. (Interestingly, she is concerned about men not working, but not bothered about generations of women who haven't.)

As for the Royal Family, there are a number who work and there are a number who don't do very much at all of any use to anyone, which is not of course not necessarily their fault. Its their upbringing and the circumstances they find themselves in. Prince Edward for instance attempted a career but his options were terribly limited and he didn't really have the skills set necessary for modern life. I suppose its our fault for keeping them so trapped in their lives. I have many more hopes for Charles's boys. I recall reading 'somewhere' that the late Queen mother had apparently never in her life opened a curtain herself to look out the window.

ranfuchsranfuchs pro
09/03/08 @ 12:04

As a culture, we have a tendency not to connect rights and responsibilities. Often, the less responsibility you have the more rights the system gives you: the doll system, criminal defence, or the way we handle disruptive kids at school to name just few.

Naturally, if no responsibility gives you more rights and attention, what is our chance to break this pattern?

On the other hand, if a government gets many of its votes from those who get rights without responsibilities, they are unlikely to want to change the situation. Therefore, paradoxically, it is the ‘government for the underprivileged’ that has the least incentive to improve the situation of the under privileged.

glancerimglancerim [Member]
09/03/08 @ 12:58

Is there no job available or just people don't want to work?

kendrivekendrive pro
09/03/08 @ 16:36

There are plenty of well-paid jobs available, but the English will not take them. It is left to immigrants to fill the vacancies.

LissaTLissaT pro
09/03/08 @ 16:09

I think that there is a serious problem for people who for whatever reason (sickness, out of the country, carers, child-rearing etc.) who have a patchy employment history, especially those with good general qualifications (O and A levels, diplomas and degrees) but nothing specific to the available jobs either in the way of qualifications or experience. Having been part-time self-employed most of my adult life I found it quite difficult convincing people that I was good employee material, especially in competition with people with 'relevant' experience. I also know of a number of cases where all the available training for unemployed people was geared to the semi-literate which the well educated applicants were none-the-less also expected to undertake in order to qualify for benefits.

kendrivekendrive pro
09/03/08 @ 16:44

You are right. It seems that it is a disadvantage to have good solid qualifications nowadays.

Have you ever been told that you are "over-qualified"?

On the other hand, standards have dropped so low that present day diplomas and degrees are practically valueless. It is best to judge the person, not their education.

I remember when I once went for a job interview, I was asked whether I had attended Eton or Harrow, Oxford or Cambridge - and which regiment I had been in.

LissaTLissaT pro
09/03/08 @ 18:43

I have been told that in the early days of the first world war one of my great uncles went to his officer selection board (or whatever it was called in those days) and noticed that those ahead of him were all asked the question "Which school did you attend?" to which the replies tended towards the "Eton, sir." "Rugby, sir." etc. On being asked the same question he replied in his most clipped accent "Bahsah, sah!" (not letting on that this was Burser Street Elementary School in Cleethorpes) to which the officer replied "Good school, good school" and he was in.

The great-uncle, by the way survived the Western Front and the Irish troubles, leaving the army as a major. The school is still there, and I am teaching two workshops there next week. I may mention the fact that my grandfather, his two brothers and two sisters, as well as both my parents were pupils there.

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